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azdave
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posted 10-17-2002 02:16 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for azdave   Click Here to Email azdave        Reply w/Quote
These are my experiences with transmission shops in the past. I'll also provide the entire story of my current tranny getting rebuilt as it unfolds today and tomorrow! Might be interesting!

Ok, the first time I needed a tranny, it was in about 1985 or 1986. The car was a 1974 Malibu Classic with a turbo 350 tranny. My mom had bought the car from an old lady with fairly low mileage (the car had low mileage...not the lady). Then she beat the hell out of it for a few years. Next, it was my brother's car for a few years. I don't even want to think about some of the things that he might have done to the poor car. After that, it was my sister's car for a few years. She beat the hell out of it of course. Then it was finally my car! I beat the living hell out of it for about 2 years before I had to get rid of it (long story). Anyway, the transmission had a leak that somehow went undetected, so I drove around with no fluid until the symptoms started. By then, it was fried. I had to manually shift gears (even though it was an automatic!) So I brought it to a Cottman in NJ because they quoted me like $300-$400 over the phone. I get there, they test drive it and agree that it doesn't work properly (duh), and they charge me $100 to take it apart and tell me what's wrong with it. Big mistake on my part. I was young and gullible and I guess they spotted that. So they claim that they found some very serious damage in there and it would cost another $700 to have it put back together properly! Either that or they could put it back together the way it was, in which case it might not even drive anymore. So I learned a lesson. If you have a tranny that you know needs rebuilding, don't let them tear it apart until they have already given you an estimate for the whole job. Otherwise, they name their price to put it back together! Some people get charged $1500+ fpr what should be a $500 job max! They also managed to mess some things up pretty bad. They left about 5 pan bolts out. And they left the tailpipe dragging on the ground! Plus they didn't rebuild it right because it only lasted a year and a half after that rebuild! I won't use Cottman again. You can if you want!
The next tranny I needed was to replace the above mentioned tranny. I found an Ammco that REALLY needed the business. They gave me a lifetime warranty (including the rebuild!!) for only $450 plus tax!! Such a shame I had to get rid of that car! Ammco did pretty well. But their prices are outrageous these days. It would cost me $1500+ to get a lifetime warranty for the Impala!
The next tranny I needed was for my Impala. I had bought the car just a few weeks earlier, and it turns out that it had a $50 junk yard tranny in it. So I had it rebuilt. Found a place that only wanted $325. Can't remember the name of the place, Just a small privately owned shop. I was pleasantly surprised that they seemed to do a good job AND they didn't tell me it would be $400 more than they quoted me! BUT, a few weeks later on my way to school, it started slipping...I mean REAL bad! It was hardly catching at all. For about 4 miles, I had the engine revved up to about 250,000 rpm while travelling at about 15 mph! That must have been a funny sight to onlookers! I HAD to get to school, or else I wouldn't have abused the car like that. At first, the guy wanted to charge me for towing, but I convinced him that since the thing only had about 100 miles on it, that HE should pay for the towing!! He said the front pump went out. He fixed it.
The next time I needed a tranny (again for the Impala) was about 8 or 9 years ago, after that previous one wore out. And boy did it wear out! Not only did it slip and shift real bad, but the leak finally got so bad that it went through a quart every mile (no joke!) It took 5 quarts to drive to the tranny shop! Having been screwed by tranmission shops in the past, I new I would need to ask certain important things. I asked if it would cover the torque convertor. Answer...yes. I asked if it would cover the mount and the fluid and the gaskets and all the stuff inside the transmission. Answer...yes. Then I asked the price. Answer...$325. Then I asked, "Is this the most you will charge me, no matter what?". Answer...yes. Should have got it in writing! The day after I dropped it off there, he called and said I had hard part damage and that it would cost me another $75. So I said, "I thought $325 would cover all the parts...hard parts...soft parts...mushy parts...all the f'ing parts!!!"
So he managed to extort the extra money from me because I HAD to have my car working. But I did send the whole story to the BBB (found out he had a lot of complaints already...no surprise). When I picked up the car, I noticed that the transmission vacuum line wasn't mounted to the engine where it was supposed to be. He said it was because the last people to rebuild it used the wrong clamp. What a bunch of bull! I could see the bolt head it was supposed to go on, right next to the clamp. They just forgot to do it. Speaking of forgetting to do things...EVERY EXTERNAL BOLT WAS LEFT FINGER TIGHT!!! No joke! My drive shaft started rumbling a few days later. I though my differential was falling apart. Then I noticed the drive shaft bolts falling out! So I tightened them. And just to be safe, I checked all the other bolts they might have messed with (cross member, tranny to engine bolts, etc) EVERY one was finger tight!!! They also told me they fixed my passing gear cable...that it had just fallen off of the gas pedal. The first time I used it, it fell off again! And the tranny started leaking from the tail-end housing (the hard part that he charged me extra for) just a few days after the job was done! AAA Automotive. They're out of business now...no surprise.

Today, I took the Impala to All-Pro Transmission in Tempe. Wish me luck! $500 + tax + flywheel + mount + dust cover. Check back to see how it went. These guys sound really good. They do all the vehicles for the city, so they can't be too bad...right?

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azdave
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posted 10-17-2002 06:10 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for azdave   Click Here to Email azdave        Reply w/Quote
I was expecting a call from the transmission shop by about noon. Since I couldn't wait to hear the verdict, I called there around 12:30, not having heard from them yet. I said, "Hi, this is Dave...with the '72 Impala". There's a pause of about 8 or 10 seconds on the other end, and then I hear, "Where's the car?".

"What? I left it there this morning! Parked it right in front of your shop!"

Turns out, he had me mixed up with someone else; someone who had a Montero they were supposed to bring in. Once I described the car to him, he knew just which one I was talking about! Lol! But during the 30 seconds that I thought my car was stolen, all my hair turned gray and then fell out!
Great news though. They do seem to be an honest, reputable place. They could have sold me a new flywheel and mount but they said that they don't need replacing. Saved me a little money even though it could have been easy money for them. And the total will still be the same amount that they originally quoted me. In a perfect world, all transmission shops would work that way!! At least it appears that I found one of the good ones. Won't know for sure until I get it back and drive it home. Can't wait!

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azdave
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posted 10-18-2002 01:45 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for azdave   Click Here to Email azdave        Reply w/Quote
I got the car back today. It seems to shift late from second to third. It sometimes doesn't shift until about 40 mph! Isn't that supposed to happen by about 25 or 30 mph during normal accelerartion?

I'll call them tomorrow and see what they think.

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Commander_Chaos
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posted 10-18-2002 03:35 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Commander_Chaos        Reply w/Quote
Yeah that happend to my mom's 77 jimmy along time ago, cant excactly remember what happend, but it had something to to with the tranny-pedal linkage, and the tranny thought the pedal was being mashed, when it was only being pressed slightly down. It was only a $150 dollar repair, ill see if i can look at the invoice to see excactly what happend.

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azdave
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posted 10-18-2002 04:21 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for azdave   Click Here to Email azdave        Reply w/Quote
That's VERY interesting. I think they called that linkage the 'kick-down'.
He said that I should have that fixed because it would help the tranny shift up and down when passing cars, going up steep hills, etc. But I told him I never work the engine that hard anyway, so they left it alone, mostly because he said I'd need some hard to find bracket for my carb.
I don't think that's the problem, because I never had that linkage hooked up properly and it shifted fine like that for years.
I suspect that something was overlooked inside the tranny. That would be a bummer.
Let me know what you find.

Thanks

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azdave
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posted 10-19-2002 05:40 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for azdave   Click Here to Email azdave        Reply w/Quote
Here's the full story on my kick-down cable. 8 or 10 years ago when I last had the tranny rebuilt, the guy who did it said that it had popped off of the gas pedal and he put it back on for me. Sure enough, the next time I used it, it popped off again. So I found where it connected to the gas pedal and put it back on myself. It fell off again, so I just left it off. Now this place that just rebuilt the tranny...I told them not to even worry about it because I never work my engine hard enough to warrant use of the cable. He seemed okay with that, but later said that he wanted to hook it up, that it could make the tranny last longer under more strenuous conditions. So I told him to go ahead and fix it. But then after trying to do it, he said I would have to get some special carbuertor bracket which I was missing and that he couldn't hook it up without that. That sounded strange, but since the cable wasn't too important to me, I thought nothing of it and told him not to bother with it. But now I realize what must have happened. Their rebuild kit came with the type of cable that hooks to the carb instead of the gas pedal. So instead of finding the right one (or using the old cable) or at least admitting to me what the deal REALLY was, they made up a story about me needing a very hard to find bracket. Of course it's hard to find...it doesn't exist for my car! That's for newer vehicles only.
What's worse is that the cable that they did give me, which is just sitting on top of my engine, doesn't even work! If I grab the housing and pull or push the cable, it doesn't budge! That is probably why they didn't try to use the old cable. Even if they hooked it up to the gas pedal, it wouldn't work because of an issue at the other end of the cable...inside the tranny!
Lucky for them, I don't care about that stupid cable. If I want to change gears at certain times, I can always do that manually anyway, using the gearshift!
They're also lucky that I was able to adjust the modulator screw, which made it shift MUCH closer to the speeds that it should. Otherwise, I'd have to take it back to them again. They wouldn't like that, nor would I.
Thanks for everyone's input!

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azdave
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posted 11-05-2002 02:27 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for azdave   Click Here to Email azdave        Reply w/Quote
My engine started making a knocking noise at around 40-50 mph. Bummer. Did they put the new tranny in crooked or something? Wouldn't surprise me I guess. They see a car like mine and they want to get it out the door and wipe their hands of it forever as soon as they can! Hehe.

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ppmhktech
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posted 11-05-2002 04:22 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for ppmhktech   Click Here to Email ppmhktech        Reply w/Quote
dave, your luck with transmissions is like mine with ford...i.m sorry i didn;t mean to offend anyone with that four letter word.....anyhow, the cable that is loose and attached to the inside of your transmission, is called a "detent cable" it attaches to your carburator linkage. on your carburator linkage there should be a ball like stud on one of your linkage arms and this cable should "clip" right onto to it unless your linkage stud is worn or the clip is crap. or you could have an arm that comes off horizontally from the linkage this arm rides in a slot in the end of the detent cable....however you say the cable won't budge when you try to move it? they fu**ed something up. pretty good catch on the modulator valve... i had a tranny rebuilt on my pimpala by a guy who did it out of a shed in his back yard (the guy coincidentally lived on mechanic street) he did a great job. my only problem was i had late shift too, i took it to a place called RC TRANSMISSIONS here in town, they could have charged me out the yang to fix it but the guy at the shop put the car in the air looked it over and about ten minutes later came out and said ," here you go, your all set." he said the vacuum line to the modulator valve was kinked so he shortened the hose to take out the kink and didn't charge me a dime for his time. (that was also 15 years ago.) that thing shifted beautifully and i never had another bit of trouble with that trans. if your car is making noise now you should check your torque converter bolts. but depending on when the noise occurs, rpm ...yada yada blah blah..................anyhooters good luck getting this thing hammered out..

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ppmhktech
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posted 11-05-2002 04:31 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for ppmhktech   Click Here to Email ppmhktech        Reply w/Quote
oh, and by the way ....AAMCO is the absolute frickin' worst!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
too many stories of friends and family who have been stuck by aamco.

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